Moments of Permanence - On differences in oppression, derailment, and the hierarchies of hurt

From: tevriel.livejournal.com Date: April 6th, 2009 10:02 am (UTC) Re: ... deep breath ... (Link)

Indeed, but it's still rhetorical hyperbole, it's just a lot more hyperbolic and a lot less well-considered. As he's now realised and acknowledged, his sentiments were ill-considered.

This is the line one has to tread, and Certain People (hi, Elizabeth Bear) didn't even realise was there: it's possible to love your friends, and defend their basic good nature to others, and, in spaces you control, guard rigidly the terms in which people confront them about sub-optimal behaviour, without defending or endorsing the behaviour itself.

There was a strong thread of cliquish behaviour from the EBear And Friends side of RaceFail in which any criticism, on any basis, of any one of their in-group was savagely retaliated against. This causes issues.

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From: ataxi.livejournal.com Date: April 6th, 2009 02:45 pm (UTC) Re: ... deep breath ... (Link)

To be honest I don't think I have yet gotten around to backing off as far as I probably should. Oh well.

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