Moments of Permanence - I really prefer being able to identify the person screwing up as a person not me

From: sqbr Date: April 24th, 2009 07:47 am (UTC) (Link)

I don't know if this helps any, but something somewhat similar happened to me a bunch of times when I started working again: apparently it was/is using up some of the brain power I use for communication or something, because I had like three different people Not Get what I was saying and be offended (though not as badly as it sounds like happened to you) and I Could Not See what I was doing wrong. At all. Normally when I say something dumb I can at least see what was wrong when it's pointed out to me. Yet when it happens three times in a row you have to admit the common factor is yourself...

Freaking scary. It's made me really paranoid about who I speak to and on what subjects, which makes me sad because as you may have notice I really like talking :/

Anyway, if I deserve to live (and I think we can agree I do) then so do you :P Think of all the people who screw up and don't apologise when it's pointed out to them who don't have illness as an excuse. We're better than them! (And they deserve to live too)

The responsibilities of people with cognitive difficulties is something I've been pondering recently. Because we do deserve to have a chance to talk and engage, but we also have to be mindful of our effect on other people. I think it should be possible to create some sort of compromise.

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From: sami Date: April 24th, 2009 08:40 am (UTC) (Link)

Yeah... Chas was pointing out that people without cognitive difficulties have a certain obligation to make allowances, because those of us with labour under an ongoing strain that they don't.

On the other hand, they can't do that if they don't know, for one thing, and for another... I kind of expect a sort of prejudice about it. Like, if I set up a standard disclaimer that I have cognitive problems, and if something comes across offensively I probably didn't mean it, so please say what bothers you and ask me to clarify before you get angry... I fear people will perceive that as me wanting a free pass on being able to say problematic things.

I really don't know how to deal with this.

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From: sqbr Date: April 25th, 2009 05:40 am (UTC) (Link)

I don't really know either. I use my icons and disclaimers to put my words in context which helps a bit. My default icon *points* was the first, and "This is a joke!" the latest, but they were all prompted by situations where my words were not interpreted the way I wanted them to be.

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From: sami Date: April 25th, 2009 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)

But I, I love your default icon.

I think I should take on your approach, really. (Which would include, you know, actually loading more icons on DWth than my Tendou icon, since it looks like I'm not just using this as a ficjournal after all - it's my safe journal, for troll avoidance, as well.)

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From: sqbr Date: April 25th, 2009 06:40 am (UTC) (Link)

Well, I don't know that my exact approach would be a perfect fit for you, but possibly something along those lines (and I promise not to sue if you borrow some of my ideas :)). Though ataxi will be all sadface at me being such a bad influence if you start using lots of disclaimers :D

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From: sami Date: April 24th, 2009 08:59 am (UTC) (Link)

A sidenote: Where I am genuinely irked by the event, and somewhat hurt, I'm realising, is that the response I got very clearly implied that the other person thinks that, because I said something about an entirely unrelated topic she found offensive, it's okay to call me a racist. (Her final line said she didn't want to hear my views about anti-racism, on the assumption that they would, of course, be offensive.) Which... dude, no. I said nothing about or related to race, nothing. Effectively calling me racist on the basis of that? Pure ad hominem attack, unjustified, and gratuitously insulting.

Which I have not brought up with the person in question, because it's not a line of discussion I can see going anywhere fruitful, but it's irksome indeed. I will cop to being criticised where it's justified, but the discussion wasn't about race, I made no mention of anything even vaguely related to race... So that part, I don't accept.

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From: sqbr Date: April 25th, 2009 06:09 am (UTC) (Link)

Do they know you?

Because something I took a long time to get my head around but now find oddly comforting which may or may not be relevant:
From a stranger's POV I am indistinguishable from a clever troll saying the same words. So if they think the worst of me it's not an insult to me, Sophie, the complex 3D individual who deserves the benefit of the doubt because of all the awesome things I have done and said, it's an insult to some random stranger on the internet of whom they know very little. And I've seen enough people start off sounding very much like me then go on to turn out to be racist/sexist etc trolls/idiots etc that I have a moderate amount of sympathy for people thinking the worst of this random stranger "sqbr".

The archetypical example of this was once when I made some remark about the differences in how racism works in Australia and America and someone replied with "Racism exists on a global level *insert link*". I got very offended because, hello, I never said it didn't! My very premise assumed that Australia is racist! But then I noticed that EVERY OTHER TIME I saw a white person talk about "the differences in how racism works in Australia and America" their eventual conclusion was "..and so Australia is not as racist as America", often with the subtext that we're not really racist at all.
Every. Single. Time.
And so I now understand that if that single remark was all you knew about me, it WAS fair to assume I was probably trying to deny that racism exists in Australia, even though that's not what I said or what I believe. (Of course this does mean I've been putting off talking about the subject until I feel I can express it just right)

Unfortunately once someone has interpreted your words that way it's hard to change their mind without sounding defensive, I usually make an apology for the perceived sentiments then make a dignified retreat to try and figure out how to avoid the situation in future.

Anyway, whether or not that's what happened it's never pleasant to have people think the worst of you, so I can see how that would make the whole thing nastier for you.

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