| How I know I am a history nerd (Captain America, not spoilery) |
 How I know I am a history nerd (Captain America, not spoilery)
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Jul. 30th, 2011 @ 07:04 am 
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Last night Dean and I saw Captain America.
It was totally awesome, but there was one scene that made me twitch as follows:
It's 1943, and we see a bunch of American soldiers. Some of them are black. The scene is, in many ways, an extremely moving and awesome scene.
However, for me, it was partly spoiled by the voice in my head querying: "Wait, weren't the US troops still segregated then? I thought desegregation of the Army was Truman..."
It's okay, it's Marvelverse History, not Real World History, so multiracial US Army battalions can totally have existed, including the Japanese-American guy. (Yeah, you may be from California, buddy, but the United States still classed you as an "enemy alien".)
I justify a lot of things to myself that way with these movies.
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| From: | ![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png) willow |
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July 30th, 2011 07:02 pm (UTC) |
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The twitchier part for me, is the fact that IN MARVEL HISTORY, the experiments before Steve, were black soldiers. Some died. I'm guessing the movie doesn't mention that bit AT ALL.
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| From: | sami |
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July 31st, 2011 01:40 am (UTC) |
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Whoa. No, it doesn't (and I didn't know that). Ew. Ew ew ew.
In the movie, Steve is presented as the first subject with the "finished" serum; Red Skull used an "unfinished" version that made him all, well, Red Skull.
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| From: | willow |
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July 31st, 2011 01:45 am (UTC) |
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Ok, Wikipedia says The Bradley's and Patriot from 'Truth: Red White & Black' are an attempt after steve to recreate the formula. I had been fairly certain it was before Steve. But after, somehow makes black soldiers in that movie looking integrated EVEN CREEPIER.
Oh sweet icicles in june.
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| From: | sami |
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July 31st, 2011 01:44 am (UTC) |
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Now that I think about it, though, I guess the potential bright side is that the movieverse canon is at least slightly less fucked up? In this version of Marvel history we can hope they didn't actually do that shit.
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| From: | sami |
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July 31st, 2011 01:47 am (UTC) |
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(Sorry for the chain replies. I literally just woke up.)
I'm having trouble working out whether it's better or worse. In the original canon, it's hideously BADWRONG. Movieverse canon it isn't but they don't acknowledge it. Is that fixing it or making it worse? Argh.
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| From: | willow |
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July 31st, 2011 01:49 am (UTC) |
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The double edged sword, is it ignorance/suppression/silencing/invisibility or an attempt not to recreate BADWRONG. I tend to think never mentioning anything and pretending uncomfortable things don't exist is worse. But a good part of my life was people pretending umcomfortable things didn't exist so....
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| From: | sami |
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July 31st, 2011 02:17 am (UTC) |
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It would be pretty hard to fit into a movie, though, and the movie doesn't really address events between Steve and the present at all, so if it was post-Steve experiments then there's no room.
But it should be acknowledged in comics, I think.
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